Wednesday, November 11, 2009

An Open Reply to an E-mail from Overseas.

CT received this e-mail from someone overseas. We believe that what this brother/sister has expressed may be something that some of you out there reading this blog have in mind also. As such, we have decided to reply this e-mail as an Open Letter to all the followers of CT, who may have similar questions. The e-mail reads like this:

"My name is __________. I attended Calvary Church for many years until I moved to _________ in 2000. I am currently residing in ____________. I have been following your blog and the writings with great interest. I also keep in contacts with current Calvarites.

I don't believe in condoning what is wrong. However, I also believe that what the bible says about "he who has no sin casts the first stone". Also, vengeance is mine, says the Lord.

I am a person of vengeful spirit especially when someone does me wrong. The anger that boils inside me wants me to strike back. Recently, a brother in Christ shared with me and made me realized that anger and pride goes hand in hand. God wants us to be humble and approach everything and every situation with humility. I pray that you would do the same. I also pray that you would not hide behind a blog but be open and reveal yourself. Hiding behind a blog and throwing darts is not helping. Going on our knees in humility and prayers before God will.

God bless you."

Our reply to this e-mail:

It is great to know that God has helped you deal with your anger problem and your lesson on humility.

We, the concerned members of Calvary Church, KL, on the other hand, have been called, led together and have responded to God’s leading to do what we are doing not because we have anger in our hearts for any of our Pastors or the Church. In fact, many of us have been in church for many years and some may even be considered the “pillars” of the early Calvary Church.

As individuals, we are all tremendously blessed by God with good jobs, wonderful families and have a passionate heart for God’s work and many are currently actively involved in Christian ministries. Many are also supporting different Christian organizations financially. We believe God has brought us together to stand up firmly for Him to declare His Righteousness and Holiness in this time and age. We are to be the "salt" and the "light" and to be a “city on the hill” for His Name’s sake. We cannot bend or try to blend in together with any form of unrighteousness and ungodly practices especially in the management of God’s Church and God’s money.

We don’t fault you for not knowing who the TTG concerned brother and sisters are.
CT is only a tool used to disseminate information to interested church members (but now includes others like yourself also) who may otherwise have no access to information about the CC Saga from ordinary church members' point of view. The only information that we have gotten from the church leadership so far have been heavily "sugar coated" resulting in "half truths" information, which by the way, was only privy for church leaders and some selected few privileged members. What is announced from the pulpit are sweeping statements, specially tailored to make us "feel good" as someone said earlier in another post. So, your statement that CT is someone "hiding behind a blog and throwing darts," is wrong deduction. We don't blame you since you are residing half way across the world from us. Just to let you know, the darts that you are referring to are the TRUTH of the matter at hand. Truth, sometimes if not always hurts.

Now as to revealing ourselves, we are a group of no less than 50 people at any one point in time. If you are here in KL, you will know us. TTG have no membership. TTG only have volunteers who feel led by God to contribute their share of expertise as and when needed for a specific task. People respond to God’s leading at the perfect timing, to lend the group a helping hand to fulfill the purpose that God has, to carry out His Will at very specific times, in this journey. TTG have not been in any desperate need to ask anyone for help to get things done. We don't need to because God has always sent someone with the right expertise to do the job that was needed to be done.


To recollect such occasions, we relate to you this incident. When Dr Lum's interview was published, a brother volunteered his help to translate that post into the Chinese language to benefit our Chinese congregation. After doing that, he decided to worship in another church. He was really a man sent by God to fulfill His plan. Then when all the documents were complied for distribution to members at the EGM held on 15 August 2008, another brother volunteered to print the pages for free. Then another brother volunteered some workers to stand outside the church and at the carpark area to distribute the handouts. Everything was done so smoothly because God sent people to do a little part each. No one went out of the way to scout for helpers. People came on board to support the group's effort on their own accord after hearing about the task at hand. TTG have only so far asked for support in the form of signature campaigns during the earlier “teh-tarik” meetings.

We do nothing in our personal capacity but everything is done in unity of spirit among brethren, always being mindful of the Holy Spirit's leading and guiding, even though we are a group made up of many individuals from diverse backgrounds and personalities. It is really amazing to see how God motivates each one of us to move very differently and at different times and yet at the same time, to coordinate so well as a group, is unbelievable. Only God in His great wisdom and understanding, can unite a group of people with such diversity and only God’s people who are responding to the call that God has impressed on them, that the cause for TTG – Truth, Transparency and Godly Governance, can be accomplished and persevered on till this day. When one person completes his task, God calls another one in to carry on the next task, and this has been going on from the beginning. So how do you “reveal” the TTG people? TTG is many brothers and sisters in Christ, called by God, brought together by the Holy Spirit, all with a common love and dedication for our Lord Jesus Christ, so that no one can claim glory for themselves.

As to your exhortation for us to go on our knees to humbly pray, we would like to ask you to read back the past articles in the category of “Prayer & Testimonies” in this blog.
At very important thresh holds of time in this journey, God spoke to us through the "rainbows" that was shared by one church member which gave us encouragement to continue on the journey even though we have no clue what to do next. He has sent many prayer warriors to talk to different individuals which has brought light and understanding to the group when we needed it.


Many in the group also network with Pastors and friends, locally and overseas, who are constantly praying for God’s will to be accomplished in Calvary Church. The most recent word from the Lord which was delivered to us through someone is this: Someone while praying for our CC Saga received a vision of many "tears" as in someone crying. In the last two weeks, different individuals have shared that during their personal devotion and Bible reading time, they were impressed to read Jeremiah. One person read Jeremiah 8 & 9. Another was impressed to read Jeremiah 12 & 13. We hope that you too will read the Book of Jeremiah and allow God to speak to you personally. Ask God to reveal to you, who have cried those tears?


Every “revelation” in this blog, has been timed by God Himself and actually furnished by God Himself too. The different articles written by different individuals were written and sent in by their own accord. Others were already written by members and CT only sought their permission to publish – CT did not ask for it to be written. Including this e-mail of yours which today serves as an Open Letter so that many readers like yourself can have a better understanding of this whole CC Saga and TTG. To the group, your e-mail is by no means accidental. Like many of us, we believe you have responded to God’s soft prompting without even realizing it and CT and TTG give praise to God for that.


CT would like to put on record once again, our gratitude to our Sovereign God and our Lord Jesus Christ for sending the Holy Spirit to be our constant guide in this journey through a very difficult and trying time in the history of Calvary Church. Indeed, without God, CT can do nothing. If you are thankful for the information that you have gotten from visiting CT, please express your "thanks" to God our Heavenly Father to whom Calvary Church belongs to. There is no one you can say "thank you" to, except to God and our Lord Jesus Christ, without whom, CT would have been wiped out long ago. The fact that you, who is residing half way across the world is reading what is published in CT, is a testimony of God's hand and faithfulness to us all.


It will be Christmas time again very soon. CT wish you a Blessed Christmas and God Bless You Too.

21 comments:

GO AHEAD AND CRY! said...

I think this devotional thought may bring some encouragement.

Taken fr: devotions@davidwilkersonglobal.org.
Date: Wed, Aug 5, 2009
Subject: GO AHEAD AND CRY!

When you hurt the worst, go to your secret prayer closet and weep out all your bitterness. Jesus wept. Peter carried with him the hurt of denying the very Son of God and he wept bitterly! He walked alone on the mountains, weeping in sorrow. Those bitter tears worked a sweet miracle in him and he came back to shake the kingdom of Satan.

Years ago a woman who had endured a mastectomy wrote a book entitled First You Cry. How true! Recently I talked with a friend who was just informed he had terminal cancer. “The first thing you do,” he said, “is cry until there are no more tears left. Then you begin to move closer to Jesus, until you know his arms are holding you tight.”

Jesus never looks away from a crying heart. He said, “A broken heart will I not despise” (see Psalm 51:17). Not once will the Lord say, “Get hold of yourself! Stand up and take your medicine! Grit your teeth and dry your tears.” No! Jesus bottles every tear in his eternal container.

Do you hurt? Then go ahead and cry. And keep on crying until the tears stop flowing. But let those tears originate only from hurt, not from unbelief or self-pity.

Encourage yourself in the Lord. When the fog surrounds you and you can’t see any way out of your dilemma, lie back in the arms of Jesus and simply trust him. He has to do it all! He wants your faith, your confidence. He wants you to cry aloud, “Jesus loves me! He is with me! He will not fail me! He is working it all out, right now! I will not be cast down! I will not be defeated! I will not become a victim of Satan! I will not lose my mind or my direction! God is on my side! I love him and he loves me!”

Good Samaritan? said...

Most of us are complacent, comfortable, country club Christians. If we don’t like a church we just go to the next one. There are plenty of churches in and around KL that would welcome us and our tithes and offerings. Why bother with unrighteousness and injustice and abuse of power in the church. Just move on. We are all sinners; therefore we should not cast the first stone. So we just sit on our hands. No wonder the country is in the state it is. God’s salt and light could not be bothered. More beautifully we can justify why we should not be bothered. We have lost our saltiness.

Jesus parable about the Good Samaritan is helpful here. We see a grave wrong and injustice afflicted on an innocent man. He was robbed and beaten, dying and helpless. We can be like the priest and the Levite; pretend we see it not and pass by on the other side. Or we can be like the Good Samaritan who spends his time, effort and money to do something about it, to try to right the wrong.

Ampang Calvarite said...

Thanks to Good Samaritan for that encouraging message. I am not TTG nor am I on the camp of PG. But I don't stand neutral either. At the end of the day, whether we like it or not, we must ask God to reveal the truth to us. And He has.

This blog is an answer to some of our prayers. God speaks through many different ways. I don't think this blog has been vengeful but it's just conveying the facts of what's been happening and this is truly what a blog does. Just today, I met up with non-CC members and the subject of their conversation was CC! Indeed, CC has made headlines. Whether you like it or not, we are expressive people. Even our Malay friends are blogging about CC and the CCC.

To our overseas friend who has left CC for almost a decade - I don't think people are unaware about who's who behind this blog. Indeed God teaches humility each day. If only PG would humble himself and restore this hurting church, I'd rather that our overseas friend not make uncalled "humility" judgements against CC members. When you cast a finger at this blog, you also cast a finger at other concerned members of CC.

Standing on the fence doesn't help. If one is unsure, one should find out. Prayer must also be followed by action. And that's exactly what I did. So as I prayed, I was led into personal encounters with PG's deception and the truth from associate pastors and BOD about his extravagant lifestyle and the unfair administration of the church. I am a human resource practioner and I must say that the HR practices in CC are rather astonishing. During the communication sessions with CC leaders and deacons, I also asked them questions about the administration of biased HR practices and they don't have an answer for me.

If we want to be a fountainhead church, we must stand up and restore what God has installed for His church. God has given us talents and gifts not to be hidden away but to be used even in such an event. Before the broken pieces can be put together, they must first be discovered. Don't let biased leaders cloud your mind with their cheap talk of bad-mouthing the TTG members. I've even received a call before one of the AGMs from a lady I don't even know telling me not to get sold to the TTG because they're out to break up the church. I believe she must have gotten my number from the church. This is not right. I told her, "Perhaps God wants to break our leg before He can carry us and teach us who really is in charge".

Leave no stone unturned said...

Leave no stone unturned will be a more appropriate action to take than avoiding taking action on the too often manipulated mantra "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

From the first stage of discovery of the inappropriate movements of church funds (mind you amounting to RM1.9 m over several years) to PG's personal ministry. Instead of making immediate amends, his deacons went on the pulpit to cast the first stone calling the concerned members names. Thereafter going about irresponsibly to engage during the EGM top legal brain and forensic accountants plus flying in Ps Gyunes from USA to defend PG at great expense to either impress or intimidate. Read the old postings, members were restricted to questions and microphone system was turned off at the prompting of PG

And the Deacons in their collective spiritual wisdom organised a "kangaroo" court to get rid of former deacon, Dr. Lum Why? because he has been burdened to speak up and make disclosure publicly on the blogspot about the unsavoury aspects in which PG has been running CC like his own fiefdom. Ok, about RM1.1 million was reluctantly "returned" to the Church but only after the de-registration of his personal ministry and blowing about RM500K on conferences.

Meanwhile, many behind the scence attemps had been made by various elders to make amends reforms and repent. Some associate pastors and deacons began an aggressive witch-hunting programme removing any members and life-group leaders found to be supportive or merely align themselves to the initiatives taken by the concerned members. Clearly, the motive and objective is to drive away discerning congregation who raise questions. Calvary Church had taken similar actions to purge before hence the stagnation in the size of a fountainhead church in the federal territory of Kuala Lumpur - officially less than 2,000 members and associate members

The leadership then orchestrated something which is totally unscriptural in fact it is malicious and defiant by contacting selective members and associate members to attend small group meetings over many weeks (about 20 in each group)in the church "spinning" out twisted statements and half-truths timing the meetings just before the delayed June AGM. Where a spouse was not called to attend the mtgs, the consequence is obviously misunderstanding and division inside the families. Anyone would question the intention unless we are dealing with programmed minds

Now take time to listen to the recordings of various segments of 2009 AGM. I could not believe the arrogant rallying speeches of an invited Asst Superintendent of AOG as chairman for a greater part of the marathon aggregate solid 12 hours meeting. What a record? And what is the conclusion - more division and cracks after the meeting.

In the blog, Calvarites wrote to caution that there was apparent work stoppage at the CCC construction site. Supporters of PG wrote back to call the writer a liar. By the way, this revelation was before and after the AGM. The deacon in charge of the building project declared that all's well excepting more money would be needed to be raised. An initial project budget of RM50 mn was increased to 80 mn, then 150 mn now RM180 mn and still counting the actual total cost with work stoppage

Please speak up now Calvarite. I know the verses from the Scripture too and will just say that many professions jobs and responsibities in the world we live will exclude fellow christians holding such positions as Judges, prosecutors, teachers etc if we are unable to act with discernment over disciplining errant fellow men and christians

In a lighter vein, we all should not worry too much about casting stones. If we have been casting many stones in the past, there would not be much stones left to build and repair the malaysian roads and not forgetting for building our homes.

Bamboo Conspiracy said...

Dear Calvary Today

My wife and I just returned from an overseas trip and received an e-mail from "Christian Hacker" (please see below).

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Hi Vijay aka Bamboo Conspiracy,

I am very interested to continue to hear your views on certain things. Perhaps spend some time in prayer together with you? You seem to be so well worded with the Word, but I am not sure if you can be trusted.

Anyway, since I have got your email address. I have also got your godaddy.com's account.
I am now going to go through your online criminal record and see where you come from and who you are. All these information are freely available you know.

Then, i will come and visit you, and will come and have a cup of Teh Tarik with you. Perhaps then, we can have more sharing sessions together?

Take care and may God bless you and your wife Vivien =)

Have a great day in the Lord.

Christian Hacker.
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My policy is I NEVER RESPOND to anonymous e-mails, letters or threats! I leave such in the hands of God.

I will gladly respond once 'Christian Hacker' discloses his/her details and intentions in Calvary Today.

Once Calvary Today has authenticated his/her identity, I will gladly oblige to his/her request and have as many teh tariks he/she wants in the presence of at least two witnesses mutually agreed.

To save time for Christian Hacker in surfing the Net to obtain details about me, I present below my credentials. (I can provide additional details once, "Christian Hacker" has identified him/herself.)

Also if he/she wishers, I can arrange for him/her to met with Bukit Aman police officers so that he/she can check "my criminal records".

This I do not to boast of myself but to give honour and glory to God for His blessings.

For the benefit of 'Christian Hacker'

1. My qualification:-
DBA (Australia), MSc (Multimedia Technology), BA(Hons) Accountancy & Finance (Edinburgh), Certified Fraud Examiner (USA). I have just completed a second doctorate (PhD) and waiting for the results.

2. My occupation:-
I work with the Police (Bukit Aman), the Malaysian Anti Corruption Agency, Security Exchange Commission and the Financial Intelligence Unit, Bank Negara to combat money laundering and terrorist financing activities locally and internationally.

3. I am also a member of the NECF Research Commission, and actively involved with Christian Organisations in the USA and Scotland (www.normangrubb.com).

4. I have also written and presented papers in both secular and Christian seminars/publications.

Once again this information is humbly presented as warranted to address the e-mail by 'Christian Hacker'.

His Humble Bond Servent
Bro Vijay.

PLEASE NOTE I WILL NOT ENTERTAIN FURTHER ANONYMOUS E-MAILS

The Truth Shall Prevail said...

The Truth shall prevail and so no matter what various individuals may try to intimidate and rain threats and judgments on others God is the final Judge.

Calling people names and issuing threats will not achieve anything. It just reveals the true character of these individuals. We shall wait quietly and pray fervently for God to act in His time.....
It may not be very long.

"If God brings us to it, He will bring us through it. Let us look to God in prayer for every situation."

unleashed said...

I am not CC members, but i have been to CC a few times when i was looking for a church to settle down few years ago, the reason why i didn't stay in CC because from the very first time i already don't feel comfortable with SP's preaching, all the time talking about $$$$. And the last time i went there, it was kind of confirmation from the Lord that this is not they place that i should stay, it was when he told the congregation he was blessed by someone with the Volvo, someone he doesn't even know the name just left the car key there,(i don't know if any of you can remember)but i can remember very very well because i am not convinced at all. And also once i brought my friend who was a non believer to the Christmas celebration 2005, my friend felt the same thing, he told me"why this pastor always talk about $$$$".

Since then i just mind my own business and thank God i found a good church to stay on, i still join some of my CC friends for fellowship. Until i came to know about the chaos and read about this blog, it actually speaks my mind, that's how i felt exactly. So i took courage to show this to a few of my CC friends out of my surprise they couldn't accept it and they turn kind of furious over this, they thought i was "affected" by the "rumour" but i told them NO! this was how i felt even way before the blog exists, from then on they have been very "cold" to me (they used to be very loving and caring). And i find that they have idolized the SP, everything that come from the SP they will definitely say "very good, very good". My point here is not to judge anyone i just feel sad that some good people have lost their discerning power and probably been exploited in some ways.

When my friends "questioned" me what was my motive to "spread around", i was really hurt i told them if their is nothing to hide, why they are afraid to surface the issue? God will take care of everything and i don't really care about what happening in the church because i care for them i love them i just hope they can open their eyes to stand neutral to look at the matter.
To me this is a little bit too much that they what to shut one's mouth to express how they feel.

Boasting that we understand n know God said...

God's wisdom is beyond our understanding and it is so relevant to us at any time.

I am greatly humbled to be reminded by His Word in Jeremiah 9:23 -24

v23. "This is what the LORD says:
'Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom
or the strong man boast of his strength
or the rich man boast of his riches,

v24. but let him who boasts boast about this:
that he understands and knows Me,
that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness,
justice and righteousness
on earth,
and in these I delight,'
declares the LORD."

May we truly love and value what God loves and delights in (namely, that we understand and know God that He is the One who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth). And that we don't love the things and trophies of the earth or the pleasures of the flesh or the delights of the world.

May all CC members and worshippers love God's Word and obey and do what pleases Him, not what pleases self or someone whom we esteem in our hearts... for our GOD is a jealous and holy GOD.

Christian Hacker said...

Brother Vijay aka Bamboo Conspiracy,

I went to God in prayer, and regretted sending that email to you. It shouldn't have. I have acted out of anger. I am sorry. But despite that, I want you to know that I disagree with a lot of things you wrote, and with a lot of things you say. I am in total favour of your actions and your intention. But I do not want to be guilty of doing something I find rather un-Christian.

I apologise.

God bless.

BTW, there shouldn't even be a name called "Christian Hacker" in the first place. A Christian shouldn't hack. End of story.

Calvarite XYZ said...

Hi CC BOD,

I propose you engage Vijay to investigate the entire CC account and church policies.

With Vijay's qualifications and occupation, he is both qualified and suitable to do the job and come out with a report for all members and worshippers.

It will save the church from further AGMs, EGMs and resolutions. If PG comes out clean, let him be installed as Pastor Emeritus. Then, there is closure and everyone moves on as God so leads them.

Why waste more time when PG and BOD are in control on what next can be done.

Learn from Bro Paul Low of Transparency International. He took responsibility by resigning as President for disclosing the Corruption Index report without the Exco's approval. He subjected himself to another election and was honorably reelection back as TI President.

He had shown a great exemplary example to all dictatorial leaders where AOG is having far too many.

Christian said...

dear unleashed,

CC voting members are split around 50/50 for the SP judging from the voting patterns in our last AGM. There will always be CC members who will put SP on a pedestal. What happened to Jim Jones and his followers should be a good reminder to us all. Apostle Paul say "Follow me for I follow Christ" In CC's Easter service, SP confessed that he has not been Christ like. This episode had taught me that our role model should always be Christ first. Pray that God will give your CC friends discernment with regards to their human leaders.

Bamboo Conspiracy said...

YOU AIN'T A SECRET AGENT CHRISTIAN!

Dear Beloved Brother "Christian Hacker"

I salute you for your boldness and courage and standing for you beliefs. The world needs more Peters like you - who are willing to step out of the boat and walk on water than stay within the save confine of the boat! No wonder the Lord gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom (Matt 16:19)!

Believe me brother, I too have the "Peter Trait'! The Lord has not finished with you yet! He will reward you for stepping out of the boat and being vocal in a cordial manner.

There are far too many 'secret agent' Christians - pastors, intercessors, prayer worriers, prophets etc. in today's church! An examination of the teaching found in Luke 10: 29-37, known as, "The Good Samaritan" is a good example of the difference between activist and pacifist Christians.

Jesus was no stranger to controversy and debate, neither was he unfamiliar with the hypocrisy of many of the religious leaders of his day. Jesus never simply filled space or time with pointless abstract platitudes. Jesus' pointed question is, "Which now of these do you think was a good Christian?" (Vs. 36).

Too many today have the religion of convenience. We seek to avoid involvement and responsibility. Yet, we all have duties according to the Lord's calling. Sadly many forfeit their callings because they rather remain as "Secret Agent Christians" than being "salt of the earth and light of the world". All who are blessed are called to a responsibility. We are called to be vocal and stand for our beliefs in a cordial manner. A majority of the men and women the Lord use share this characterises - they stand as watchmen and blow their trumpets!

Brother, we are both entitled to our own opinions and when examined very closely there may be elements of truth in both. Just examine the Christian world today with the many denominations and theological schools and these are based on some elements of Biblical Truths.

So brother, it is very real that examined within these contexts you have the right to defend your school of beliefs and I expect this debate will not end until Christ returns! Hence, I too apologise if my 'Peter Trait' did not show sufficient respect to your school of beliefs.

Let us jointly intercede that God's (and not our) perfect will for Calvary Church be done. I am in total support of you getting out of the boat and enlarging your tent to further God's TRUTH!

Loving you eternally

Bro Vijayan

A pastor said...

A bit of background before I make my main comment so CT moderators might recognize me...

I have posted a comment months ago under the name " A pastor" where I made a comment on my financial principle (and agreed by my church leaders) that I will not be involved in the financial aspects of the church.

I posted that I have been following this blog and praying for CC. I am not from the AOG nor from a charismatic church so what I do not make this comment lightly.

Some months ago when you put up the EGM (or was it AGM?) audio clips, I was listening to one of them (where a shouting match had ensued), and I heard a horrible high pitched scream / laugh (the kind from a horror movie depicting a demon possessed person) that lasted for about 5 seconds. It really unnerved me and I stopped listening. I thought it was someone in the meeting that became "unhinged".

Half and hour later, after calming down and after praying, I returned to the audio file and went back to the same place and there it was again. But this time I realized it was not part of the audio recording of the meeting.

I was very disturbed so I prayed and it came to me that it was a sign from God that the devil is having a great time watching CC being torn apart. So I prayed some more and then went back to the audio again - and the scream / laugh was missing. I listened to that audio clip a few times over the next few days ... no more scream / laugh.

I am not sure how others would interpret what I heard but for someone like me, these unusual occurrences have only happen to me a handful of times and each were for significant things God wanted to let me know.

However you handle the CC problems, my prayer is that the TTG group will handle it in a biblical and godly manner. Know that you are in my prayers. CC's current crisis is bigger than CC as a church as CC is a prominent Malaysian church and its testimony affects the perception of many who do not know Christ. God bless

Christian Hacker said...

Dear Brother Vijay

While I thank you for your kind words, I think I better re-correct myself. I am not in favour (meaning I am in disfavour) of your actions, but I don't see a need for me to respond to you in an angry fashion.

Once again, I apologise for the typo error. I dont' know why the word "not" disappear from the line (I am in total favour) of your actions. I meant to say I am not in total favour of your actions.

Anyway, thanks for accepting my apologies.

God bless.

Wonderful Responses said...

The contrast between the two camps is striking, one only needs a little sensibility to discern which group is upholding the truth and which group is distorting the truth.

And to "A pastor", I've had similar experience except the voice was directed to me. Maybe because I came from an ungodly heritage (great-grandfather owned a few casinos and worshiped idols). But our God is too wonderful for words! I've no fear of the devil(who used to chase me in my dreams)now! Jesus is the Lord of all!!

Do those people idolize PG because of the glamour that he represents?

Oh fellow christians, wake up and know who is this Jesus that you claim to know. And to the non-christians, worship Jesus because no one will love you more!

Kelvin T.L. Lim said...

Dear 'A Pastor',

This is Ps. Kelvin Lim from JB. I am standing along with you and many more in CC in prayer and fasting. Blessed ya.

3Rs... Real, Realistic & Relevant!
Kelvin

CALVARY TODAY said...

We wish to extend a heartfelt thanks to all the Pastors out there reading this blog and have placed us on your prayer list. It is very encouraging to know that there are Shepherds out there (whom we do not know personally)who are concerned for us the "battered sheep" here in Calvary Church.

This confirms to us that the God we serve is an Omnipotent Universal God. We Christians, no matter who we are or where we live, so long as we purpose in our hearts to serve God, always allowing ourselves to be led by the Holy Spirit so that the Name of Jesus Christ may be lifted up, we are One Body in the Kingdom of God.

Taking note of what has been shared, we should set aside time to Fast & Pray for God's will to be done in Calvary Church. Some in the TTG are already fasting a meal a day. Maybe we should call for a time of united prayer again.

Have a good day and God bless everyone.

Heed God's Word said...

Having read Jeremiah 8 and 9 and following that Jeremiah 12 and 13 we can understand better how and why CC leadership is now in this position.

The description of the spiritual condition of Israel in Jeremiah's days was not much different from the state of affairs in CC leadership today... lies and more lies, stubborness of heart, pride, selfish endeavours, refusal to follow God's laws, refusal to repent from wrongs, unjust conduct, worshipping idols of money, power, position and control etc.

So what would be the consequence if CC leaders refuse to repent and ask for forgiveness from God?

The Word of God is very clear...May CC leaders heed God's call to them and not persist in their stubborn ways lest it becomes too late.

Bamboo Conspiracy said...

CONTINUE TO WALK ON WATER.

Dear Beloved Brother "Christian Hacker"

Even if you are NOT IN TOTAL FAVOUR OF MY ACTIONS, it does not change what I wrote - I still love you eternally and believe the Lord will use you mightly for stepping out of the boat and walking on water! He may take you through deep waters initially but blessings will flow through you as you continue to abide in HIM.

Brother, as I said before, we are both entitled to our own opinions and when examined very closely there may be elements of truth in both depending which theological school we belong.

Let us intercede together that the Lord's perfect will (not mine or yours) for Calvary Church be done.

Loving you eternally
Bro Vijayan

Messy Christian said...

Sorry that you guys have to go through this, spiritual betrayal is one of the hardest to get over, but I know with the right heart and a prayerful attitude, you can.

Years ago I was part of a church that used tithes in such a callous manner (I'm referring to the sidebar in the Star article about the money used for SP's gym membership etc). The pastor was "given" a Mercedes Benz so that the church could reap "reward 10 fold" and I heard that a few pastors - and their kids - were sent to Australia for a "Scholarship".

This is why today I do not tithe to the church. Instead, I give my money directly to orphanages and organisations which I trust. Never again will I trust a church to handle my money to feed the poor. It could end up in a Mercedes Benz or a gym membership.

Messy Christian said...

By the way, my prayers are with you. Be strong brothers and sisters.